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post Aug 4 2005, 12:34 AM
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As I have done with the other models, I will post a few pics up as I go through the motions.

Here he is at the end of modeling. He is obviously much like the other brit. Main difference is in the uniform. I have re used some of the other brit gear. I also added straps to the backpack (I will add those to the other brit as well. I also added a blanket. Should make it easier to see the differnce between the two when you are behind them.

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Spotted his hand is a bit low, I will sort that out tommrow.

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Anyway, I its the middle of the night, so no more progress today. You can expect a textured picture by tommrow afternoon, then in game ones by the evening.

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post Aug 4 2005, 12:44 AM
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What kind of process is it to convert models from HL2 to HL, because I would sure as hell want to use that. :happy:

HL2 won't work on my machine, but that's a hell of a job, HL: BG's Loyalist is horrible.
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post Aug 4 2005, 12:45 AM
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Christ man, you are a modeling machine! for how fast you work, these are some top notch models. One thing though, you should model the eyes. Painted on eyes look very bland in my opinion.
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post Aug 4 2005, 12:57 AM
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Modeling the eyes is not really worth the number of polys it would take to do. The player models have a 3000 poly limit, to get two modeled eyes in as well would mean cutting the detail on larger parts of the mesh.

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post Aug 4 2005, 12:59 AM
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Looking great as usual. And, ya, tomdon, you're like a machine... and everything you are churning out is quality work :cool:
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post Aug 4 2005, 12:59 AM
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*is busy googling "convert half-life 2 models to half-life"*
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post Aug 4 2005, 01:03 AM
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I like the straps of the pack a lot. I'm glad you're working on these models. An idea: Piping and boardering on the coats and hats. For example, I don't think there were too many "plain" red coats in there. Most would have buttons, trimwork, and piping around the buttons. Sometimes it would be a darker (or lighter) shade of the same color, but more often it would be a seperate color entirely. The tricorns for example would often have white trim around the top edges.


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post Aug 4 2005, 01:04 AM
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QUOTE(Flask @ Aug 4 2005, 12:59 AM)
Looking great as usual. And, ya, tomdon, you're like a machine... and everything you are churning out is quality work :cool:
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It all went wrong the other day, if I kept on track it would of been a model made and in game every day. Anyway, all should be well by tommrow evening. I will be the proud owner of the only set of higher poly battleground models wink.gif. Well I will be until the next release.


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I like the straps of the pack a lot.  I'm glad you're working on these models.  An idea:  Piping and boardering on the coats and hats.  For example, I don't think there were too many "plain" red coats in there.  Most would have buttons, trimwork, and piping around the buttons.  Sometimes it would be a darker (or lighter) shade of the same color, but more often it would be a seperate color entirely.  The tricorns for example would often have white trim around the top edges.
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Yeh, those kind of things are going on the skin. The picture above is just the model with a few simple colours on. If you look at the other brit model he has buttons, pockets and trim on his hat.

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post Aug 4 2005, 01:08 AM
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Another thing though, it really bugs me on how the models (not limited to this one) look a wee bit like playdough. The textures could use some bloody marks, cuts, and scrapes here and there.
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post Aug 4 2005, 01:13 AM
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QUOTE(A Yankee Rebel Bastard @ Aug 3 2005, 08:08 PM)
Another thing though, it really bugs me on how the models (not limited to this one) look a wee bit like playdough.
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I personally think that's what give them their beauty.
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post Aug 4 2005, 01:16 AM
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There are several schools of thought on the matter. Some people prefer photo based textures. Ones that are pretty well photorealstic. Some people prefer the hand painted ones, they tend to have more warmth to them imho. Although photo textures do have their place.
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post Aug 4 2005, 01:20 AM
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Maybe the Yankee skin is too bright of a blue, a darker one may look better.

How many Pmodels are you going to make?
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post Aug 4 2005, 01:25 AM
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great, already know what pic you based it from...

now how about making british light infantry or a grenadier???
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post Aug 4 2005, 02:38 AM
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I wish I could learn to model as well as you do, keep it up and you will have done more work in one week than the entire BG team in the past year smile.gif

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post Aug 4 2005, 05:25 AM
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QUOTE(A Yankee Rebel Bastard @ Aug 4 2005, 02:20 AM)
Maybe the Yankee skin is too bright of a blue, a darker one may look better.

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I dont think the colors of the 18th century can be compared to a jeans you can buy today
they would probably rather bleach pretty fast

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post Aug 4 2005, 05:31 AM
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Tomdon I hope you don't mind but I just wanted to show everyone your great models biggrin.gif http://www.hlfallout.net/forums/index.php?...view=getnewpost
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post Aug 4 2005, 06:58 AM
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looking good, albeit a bit too much like a regular soldier... now the state of equipment and training of the loyalist militia greatly varied, so you can probably get away with it, but I'd like it if you found a way to make him look a bit less like a professional soldier...
Also instead of adding the blanket on top of the pack, why not drop the pack for a haversack+knappsack combo? It'd add a bit of diversity and help distinguish the Loyalist from the Royal Infantry more easily...


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post Aug 4 2005, 08:39 AM
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what, btw, are "Tories"? I have heard that term somewhere, the context was something like: Bla Bla battled X Loyalists or Tories (maybe it even is Torys)

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post Aug 4 2005, 08:43 AM
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hahaha it hink tories mean "british supporters" i remember reading a book in middle school i think its called "my brother sam is dead" they refer to colonists supporting brits as tories
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post Aug 4 2005, 08:54 AM
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so what exactly was the difference between loyalist and tory? there is surely something like the difference between militia in general and the minutemen which were only 25% of the available militia fighters as far as I know, something like the elite out of the militia


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post Aug 4 2005, 09:04 AM
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loyalist = tory
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post Aug 4 2005, 09:10 AM
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other question
it is hard to inform oneself about these things online, recently I read this when I was searching for battles of the war:
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where did the loyalists get the broadswords from? and, when we are already asking this, why do they wear red coats in bg and do not look like the other militia, pro-american, tomdon modelled?
confusing term, really, because this site now says loyalists include all those who fight for the crown, in this case highlanders

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post Aug 4 2005, 09:22 AM
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Loyalist/Rebel=terms expressing the political point of view of a person
militia/regular soldier=terms describing how the person is part of the armed forces of one side or the other

"Tory" is just another term for "Loyalist", albeit if memory serves me correctly, one with a stronger negative connotation...


As for researching this on the net - unless you have already quite some knowledge on the subject matter, it's better starting off with a book or two (or three ;)), because otherwise you'll find it hard to separate the more-likely-to-be true from the less-likely-to-be-true.


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I do know that books are usually the best resource, but now I want broadswords grin.gif


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In that case I have to disappoint you until we get Highland officers, because if I remember correctly, the Highland units that were still formally carrying swords at the time of the AWI did not take these with them on campaign for the rank and file..


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